I have owned a Royal Enfield for last 6 years, a 350CC 2008 built Electra to be precise, and quite often I get asked about which one is better, the older or the newer, post 2009 version. There are mixed opinions on this matter, for example if you asked a local mechanic or someone who owns an Enfield from 2008 or before, he would definitely tell you that the older version is better. However if you walked into a showroom or asked an Engineer, they would tell you that the newer version is far better. Let’s take a look at what are the major differences in these two builds of the oldest and still in production motorcycle of the world.
There is no second opinion on the matter that Enfield is the most powerful motorcycle available in current Indian market. It also is the most appealing and probably the only motorcycle that can now be called Indian and gets exported all over the world. The newer version consists of a Unit Construction Engine, UCE, while the older ones were a cast Iron Engine. Here’s a quick comparison if you really want to understand more about the intricacies of the different Royal engines.
Also read : Things to Check before Buying used Royal Enfield
First a quick look at what UCE is all about. Earlier Enfields, both the cast Iron Engines and the AVL LB Engines used to come with a pre-construction unit which actually was three parts, the engine, gearbox and clutch cases, put together and connected to each other independently. Biggest drawback of this was a heavy maintenance because you were required to change oil at all three places each time and also added was the cost of the gaskets that required replacement frequently. Another setback of this engine was loss of power in transmission as the setup was not as efficient as modern engines. This loss of power was as high as 33% between the crank shaft and the rear wheel.
For example, The cast iron and AVL engines were capable of producing 18 BHP at the crank but due to loss of power in transmission, this figure would go down to 12 BHP at the rear wheel. Another result of this loss of power was lesser mileage. UCE engines on the other hand produce 19.8 BHP at the crank and the power is 16 BHP at the rear wheel, hence the loss of power during transmission is close to 20%. This figure is of course still high but okay when it comes to a Royal Enfield. While the CI and AVL engines could only deliver 30-35 kms per liter, UCE could consistently return up to 45 kmpl.
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To get into a bit further into the nitty gritties of these engines, the UCE engine uses Hydraulic valve lifters so what happens because of this is that pressurized oil drives the pushrods in the engine. When the oil pressure remains constant for longer periods of time, the pushrods don’t cause the valve clearances to change like they used to in the older engines resulting in consistent performance. In simple words, riding hard won’t make your valves loose as frequently as it would happen in CI and AVL engines. The hydraulic tappets in UCE would stand at least 18,000 – 20,000 kms before needing any kind of attention while the solid tappets in CI and AVL would often come lose and would require adjustment.
Another big change with the UCE is of the oil circulation. On the cast Iron engines, which actually were designed in 1950S, piston type oil pumps were used. These oil pumps circulated about 1 liter of oil per minute at 5,500 RPM which is almost half of the Bullet’s oil capacity.
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So at 5,500 RPM, when the engine is reviving at its very top, just 1 liter of oil was circulating to cool down the engine which can only be termed as “bad engine cooling”. This is the very reason why the older Bullets were never considered for riding hard and fast but more as a steady 60 kmph motorcycle. Anyone who owns an older Bullet would know that you cannot push this motorcycle beyond 80-90 and keep at that speed for a longer period of time. You probably would not even dare to take it beyond 100 kmph. The heavy crank engines came with a floating bush big end which could only work well as long as it was immersed in oil and there was enough flow but 1 liter of oil per minute at the top was just not enough. This speed of 50-60 kmph which today can be considered as low was decent enough in 1950s but not anymore.
Then in the 90s, Enfield approached the Austrian engine design firm AVL to make amends to existing Cast Iron engine and the AVL engines were born. The biggest advantage of AVL over CI was of a better oil pump and a roller type big end bearing. These AVL engines, using a gear driven oil pump, were capable of pumping double the oil per minute than CI engine, 2.42 liters at 5,500 RPM as compared to 1 liter of CI engine, meaning better engine cooling. The roller end bearings work also better than the floating bush.
Also read: Why you should NEVER buy a Royal Enfield
Despite these changes, AVL engines proved to be the least popular. AVL introduced an aluminum block, which while could dissipate the heat better, but was prone to valve train clatter as it muffled less sound. The thump of the Bullet was the very soul of this motorcycle and this is what the AVL engines killed. People were used to thumping on their bullets at 40-60 kmph all day and this caused the AVL engines to be less popular even though they were superior to cast Iron engines in every manner.
After AVL, Enfield introduced the UCE which is their most advanced engine so far. The UCE engine has improved valve train apart from a lot of other improvements. It is capable of pumping 9.5 liters of oil per minute. These engines have an anti-backlash system engineered into the cams, making sure that the cam backlash is kept to the bare minimum. This results in an increased cam life as well as maintaining consistent engine performance even under hard riding. People who have owned CI Bullets would know how troublesome backlash can be on Cast Iron and AVL engine bullets, which though featuring adjustable cam spindles were still troublesome if ridden at speeds of 80 kmph and above frequently. Also, the UCE engine has a piston ring designs that eliminates blow by. A lower blow by means lesser oil getting wasted or lower cranks case pressures. Two more changes are an auto decompresses assembly that sits on the UCE engine’s exhaust cam that makes starting easier and an auto primary chain tensioner which makes sure that the primary chain has just enough tension to ensure best performance and least maintenance.
This being said, the biggest drawback remains to be the thump which is almost gone with the UCE engines so if you are planning to buy an Enfield anytime soon, decide what you really want. If you really want that thump of the engine so bad, are happy with thumping around the city at 40 kmph, do not plan to ride hard and fast then you may buy a CI or AVL but remember that the parts of both these will soon become scarce as UCE is definitely the future of Bullet. Royal Enfield themselves offer a 40,000 kilometer/two year warranty on the UCE bullets while they used to offer only 10,000 km/1 year warranty on the Cast iron and AVL engines.
Also read : Why People Hate Royal Enfield So Much?
If you have read it all so far, then you would know that the current UCE engines exceed the older CI and AVL engines in every aspect. This however does not change the fact that no matter which Enfield you chose, it still means power and durability. Both bikes are very capable and only the arguments of users are different. Vintage Bullets today sell at almost the same price as of a new one, no matter how old it may be. As a matter of fact, older the Bullet is, costlier it would be. Some of the other things to consider between the two models are,
1. Low stance of new classic model means better seating position for touring
2. New wide handles gives more control in traffic
3. The smoother shift gives effortless gear change
4. Engine embedded gearbox offers less maintenance
5. Fuel efficiency, self start, disc brakes, gas shocks, and switch qualities in newer models
Coming to the older versions,
- The legendary Thump
- The classic image of the right shift
- Excellent stability and response up to a speed of 50 kmph
- Better performance in high ranges and in heavy traffic conditions.
These are some of the facts that I just narrated here. I know that people may or may not agree with these and there will always be an argument regarding old and new Bullet. So decide and chose wisely. And yes, HAPPY THUMPING!!!!!!
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I have used 1996 old bull on 2011 & faced frequent starting problem and some other minor issues finally sold it out within 6 months. Again bought 1986 bull on 2015 , that time earlier owner said to keep Amp in centre before remove key from bull otherwise battery will drain & will face starting trouble, then only came to why I had faced starting trouble in my 1996 model as am not aware about it. Once bought 1986 model I have replaced carburetor, wiring,chain sprocket, clutch & accelerator cable, butty coil & spark plug, after this God grace till now not facing any issues and going good.
1986 Mileage was 25kmpl. Local mechanic tuned & getting 35kmpl now
Hello everyone .I have a 1956 model G2 ENGINE Made in England standard 35o it is very powerful machine and durable also it’s high speed is 140 to 150 kmph .it is very special machine and the moth is very truth that the old bullet is not a machine it’s a feel ,and very good from new models .All world knows the durability of old model bullets it support in world war second and OLD MODEL IS OLD MODEL ( OLD IS GOLD ) one day we all have to leave the worl but the bullet is there only ….
what is the average mileage of a 1950 model 350 cc royal enfield
We all have opinions but buying an UCE is like buying neither a high performance bike nor a bike that gives you a feel which OLD Enfield’s would give.
1. Old CI can run at 80 kmph (AVL even 90 kmph) all day long easily.
2. Vibrations on UCE over 80kmph is beyond manageable so you end up riding it at or below 80 kmph on longer runs.
3. Why do people buy Enfield? I am sure for the feel and legacy and NOT for high speed rides. There are many options at lesser price who can outperform UCE. So if someone who’s not looking for THAT feel of riding should definitely not buy UCE and simply go for other machines.
am having a old 1990 CI standard model mint condition. Its Bangalore registration it was a police auction vehicle . if anyone interested email me [email protected]
I’m interested.
I too have an iron barrel engine 1995 made bullet. You have said a few good at last about the old one, don’t know if it was to save the face. I don’t know wheather its due to lack of your knowldege. A lot is acceptable. But how come all the specs of the so called wonderfull new bullet turn out to be the best in all respect? And the amount of oil circulation difference is about 8 litres as per your study. So ridiculous. And about the maintanance-Last time I remember that I had done some hard maintanance was some 3 years back and that too was to change the broken brake sheo. At the same time few of my friends who are using the wonderful edition is fedup with maintenance work. And I was shocked to see what you said about the maintenance. And about the speed. I don’t know if it would go as top as the new one, but I’ve taken it upto about 120km/hr. I accept with what you said about the mileage, thats just the same what you have given. And as we know the number of the new one’s on the road are just like a heap of waste. Wrote this much because the review sounded a bit unfair. Still shocked on thinking what you said about the maintenance cost(I’ve seen in my eyes bro, the difference). You may be right about the specs of new bullet. But don’t just put down the old one just because you’re owner of such a one.
So sorry for the way i wrote.
Just wrote what I’ve experienced.
I know there may be a lot of counter explanations similar to what I’ve heard from my friends.
*By owner of such a one, i meant the new one
am having a 1990 model CI for sale in good condition in Bangalore 8073825543 expected is 1.2L .
Wat do u mean by CI
Cast iron
I am using a 2004 CI 500 Standard, it is in impeccable condition, and not for sale, this 14th Oct 2018 I did Delhi Kolkata after some mechanical (carb clean/petrol tee cleaning) then some electrical (battery terminal lug broken), I could really pull the machine from fatehpur to kolkata , 986 Km in 14 Hrs. it was a very good ride, there will be many bikes, but a CI500 single standard is simply awesome, go ahead and buy one if you get a good machine , I have stock of Block pistons and Chain sprockets too for the long haul 🙂
You are lucky dude you have a 500 that rare to find I have 1996 350 CI
Hi your review gave me clear view to take a decision. Thanks for that, I like to buy an old bullet. If any old bullet available do let me know.
With rregard,
Vinoth k,
9500149070
I have old bullet with neat nd clean bike my mobile no 9013332384
Hi Vinoth, are you still looking for old version of bullet, if so call me @9618980097, I have a superb one
Thank you for a great review. I been thinking hard about selling my 97 model bullet for sometime now. Your review has given me a much needed perspective.. thank you once again .
My size is 5ft 8inch, age 53, otherwise healthy, I have been riding other bikes for 20 years. My friend is an expert Bullet mechanic. He has an old model 1972 model, fully repaired bullet for sale and I have found it preferable than the new bullets. But, I am unable to decide. Please advise me. What would be its possible cost to buy?
Hello sir VARGIS.KHAN,
I am planning to buy 350 bullet but reading this all is made confused, i want to buy new one uce but which one in 350 would long lasting????
I would appreciate a prompt reply
Thanx
~HG
I have 1989 royal Enfield 350cc model in very nice condition, if anybody interested to buy it , please contact me, my email id is “[email protected]” , thank-you
I am intersed
I have royal Enfield 350cc 1989 model in very nice condition if any body wants to buy contact me on my what’s up number 8057385008
Thanks Vargis for the technical comparison between CI, AVL and UCE engine. I completely agree on your comments also appreciate your technical knowledge. The explanation on loss of power in transmission, the pushrod and valve clearances in CI, the tappet setting, the oil circulation to cool down the engine, etc is much appreciated. I own a CI 1985 engine and using it for the last 13 years. The stability while riding at the speed of 70 – 80kmpl, the legendary thump, heavy crank, easy to handle in traffic condition are the stand out points of the CI when compared with the UCE engine. As you rightly said, it would be an individual choice and preference, which one to select among the two. My vote goes for the CI engine.
uce engine(new) – phat phat phat phat…
ice engine(old) – dug dug dug dug..
I have 1958 model 350 bullet is stability and high speed 140mph
Of course old bullets also goes above 100km/hr
Hi
I need a help ples
My parents offered me a bullet which one i should buy a new classic 350 or 1980s army bullet
Iam in a deep confusion
And which one is more sexy in look
hi Kevin, did you get answer to your question yet? if not you may let me know I can suggest
Sivaram Sarma, 9618980097
I have 2005 electra 350 with self start and right gear… i happy with that.
I have 2005 electra ! Left side gear 5s which engine is mine , ci or AVL am confused??
CI.One of the best.
Its avl engine
HI, even I own the same model. How much mileage you are getting?
I have a RE bullet Electra 2002 w/o battery start. I have been riding it once in a month due to my work. But whenever I ride it gives me a rejuvenation of some other kind. Best feeling ever!!!!!!!!!
We drive the massive engine ….we love the old standard with alibon gear ….. we don’t care for all the above .mention….todays bullet ….a baby can also drive …they are not …for men’s they just simple bike
…only …old bullet lover can understand ..it
Hi my friend.i saw a 1969 roya enfield 500cc.Do you think is good to go around india.i prefer the old ones.but what you think.even about speed how much i can push?
Old bullet is king
I want to buy a bull with heavy weight and of good height mine is 5.9″ so can any body sugget plzzz………
I have 1996 bullet model with nice condition.
want to sale approx. 1.10.lackh.
I renuvate the bike before six months.
classic model.
Can u send pictures and details to this no. Ples 9048181307
Ur whtsp number pls
I own 1969 Royal Enfield MDM 806
Im interested to buy ur bullet. Plz callme or. Message me this number. 8686208827.
I AM INTERESTED BY UR BULLET
hello friends,
i wanna buy 500 cc bull in old model. before 1960. if anyone wanna sold then contect me on 09979211900.
I have 1979 superstar n 1977 std both r great bike to ride I would strongly disagree with the speed mentioned above i.e 80-90.old bull easily goes 100 to 120 kmph while if u have good condition n well maintained bull like mine it would easily go beyond 120 Kmph !!PEACE
Your contact no pls,mine is 9894163474.By d way am sajan
I am having a 2010 Electra but I m willing to buy 2004 model old style.wht should I Do, keep my new model bullet or I should buy 2004 old model?
I want to buy
only 2004 bullet was having unique speciality, that its all spare parts were from UK only and assembled in india. after that all bullet model created almost all parts in india only.
I am having 2004 Electra..is it a uk made parts? I am getting only 26 mileage
Do you think the new UCE engines will last generations like the old CI engines?
Which model of RE do you think is ideal for a 5.3′ female? V already have a have a Thunderbird 350CC, bt I find it too heavy. ur advice wld b appreciated. Tia.
Bullet Classic will work out for short heights!
TB 350 is lightest model .. u have to get good mechanic to alter ur bike to get light wight
40, 50 years old bullets still running proudly on our roads these days. Do you guys think if we buy a UCE one today and we will be able to ride it on 2050s & 60s! I am not a big fan of old bullets. I owns one, it gives lots of troubles than newer machines, but still there is something legendry in them, which makes them still rolling on the streets.
Old bullet 350 is the best .best sound no handle vibration .once i drive new 350 model it just vibrate on 60 kmph i was also surprised …that its above one lakh bike ….
Only one thing good in new uce midel is its average ……its best in avg ..but old model avg is not good ……
hello,
I own a 1997 500 cc city bike, and I love it.The bike has covered about 80000 km and is still ship shape. The rarest of all models, still with the same factory fittings.
A real monster .
I have a 1999 350 Bullet Standard export USA model. I now have over 18,000 miles (29,000 KM). NO PROBLEMS beyond normal maintenance. Once you get to know the old Iron barrel version they are reliable, simple and will last a very long time. As for speed I have no problem at all cruising (on a corrected speedometer) for hours at 50mph (80Kph), and sometimes faster on a smooth road when the wind is right. Top speed is only about 63 true mph (100 kph). The speedometer indicates about 70 mph when the actual speed is 63 with the engine turning. I love the bike.
can anybody provide information regarding 1971 Bullet 350 Model. I own a 1971 bullet 350, but dont know much about it
This is the best Bullet Royal Enfield ever produced.
yes the details given up there is perfectly true and its also true that there is no end to the discussion that which model is better new one or bad one,but one thing i want in RE as a user from long time is they must change the position of the gearbox to right side as in older models,which was really cool and make it diffrent from other ordinary bikes.and for those who says new bullets are toys,i used both of the models cast iron and UCE,diffrence is UCE model is lighter but not any inch of behind in performance from cast iron engine model,so stop saying crap.
Hi… Royal enfield is the best to long drive. but new version is the look to good, but performance is the old version is the good.
New bullets are just show piece nd just like a simple racing bike like karizma….uce engine or new engine bullet me wo purana wala dum nhi hai ..isilie mne apni electra 2012 model sale krke 1999 model standard li h thats like a real bullet jo har koi nhi chala skta but new wali to bcche bcche leke ghum rhe h ..
1999 model to halke krank me h , 1985 se 1990 tak me heavy krank the
This is a really very nice article. Thanks a lot for sharing this post. To read more
The old bullet and new bullet are approx of same price …then why we should buy a old one..go for new …1 lakh bii lagna hah aur chig bhi purani leni hah…who says old bullets are better are than new one new bullets are more smooth ,has more millage and comfortable…company walo ne kuch soch ke bullet ka engine change kara hoga….
Mainly the serivces tell about the condtion of bullets…bullet should be serviced at every 2500 km…if serivices are done on time it will stay forever..
Old bullets are always best it will last forever if u need proof ask a local royal enfield mechanic ☺
The new so called Royal Enfield’s are no comparison to the old bullet may be the new ones are better in performance.. however the old ones give you the real pleasure and feel of riding a real royal bike.. the son is named after the father not vice-versa.. the difference between the Old and New bike is new ones are always available in the showroom and old, right side gear bikes are no more available and that makes the bike unique and special… moreover u can buy a new one when ever your willing to but can’t buy an antique old one unless the owner is willing to sell.. and if still some one says why to buy a old second hand bike while u get new ones in the showroom.. let me tell you “Second hand is not the term… they are unique and are called antiques not second hand”. not every one is blessed to have the pleasure of owning a antique bike.. take the bike on streets and you find people admiring the bike however no one bothers to give the new ones a second glance..
Bro after 50 years uce will be antiques
Vargis Bhai, Standard 350 uce vs Classic 350 uce – Which one have good mileage ?
anyone wana buy enfield standard i have 3 bullets and they easily reach speed of 140 without any modification contact me on 8699925546. location chandigarh
Hi friend. If you still have these bikes, you can send me the images of the vehicles and prices to me. Phone :: 9989674786
Thank you for enlightening about the UCE models. I have booked a RE 350cc electra black.
I have not got a chance of test drive electra 350 with UCE. I like to know about the its manuvouring in city traffic and maintenance.
Thanks
Muthu
I have pushed my RE Standard 350 (Heavy Crank 2009) to 135-140 i couldn’t look at meter after 130 bcauz it was hard to stop as brakes on bullet are not that promissing.So i have to keep and eye on Road.BTW here in our City (Bathinda) its Normal to push above 120 for long distances.All is how u maintain it.
When U Go for Bullet Just forget about mileage and Run Bull 😉
I found this well written explanation from other site wrote by some brilliant guy with extensive knowledge about bullets .
Bullets were firstly introduced for military during the world war era due to its easiness to remove parts and maintenance because of its push-rod technology and it was a reliable machine at that time. I am admitting the fact that a new engine technology is mostly always better (In 98% cases). So new generation engine is comparatively more powerful and fuel efficient. My first bullet was a CI 350 1988 model-7.5 kg Lightweight crank. Lot of oil leaking issues and tappet maintenance was required on it before years but the ride was smooth. Then RE launched the new UCE models and i was tempted to try one. So sold my 1988 CI and bought a 2012 UCE Electra. Maintenance was less compared to CI but it was completely lacking the real bullet feel. Not the thump but the riding comfort, In simple terms more vibration produced by the UCE and most importantly the lack of torque. You left knee starts paining after riding it for 100kms over a road with lot of potholes. New gen UCE requires frequent gear shifts than a CI model that we can use like an autogear on its 3rd gear.
Needless to say after after using it for 100000 kms I had to deal with the engine work for my Electra and it costed me a bomb. the I realized my 3 parts engine on a CI bullet was easier to dismantle and maintain but the UCE is very expensive to deal with and requires more time to repair it. I thought it might be a problem with my particular model Electra. So i sold it off and bought a Classic 2015 Classic 500-heavy crank.(10.5kg). Te story was nt much different in classic also. There was no feel at all, it was simply like riding a Hero honda Karizma. Even a school kid with cycle balance can ride it. But the real old bullet it requires wisdom, strength and patience to start and ride.
I was disappointed instead of buying another bike I borrowed different bikes from my friends. Tested almost every Bullet model. UCE classic 350, UCE standard 350-heavy crank. 1998 CI and a 2007 standard CI heavy crank.
Here it is…..at last I found my match and it was the old gen 2007 model CI standard heavy crank. Less revv and Vibration free engine. Same old bullet feel. Less maintenance compared to very old models. More importantly the Engine repairs are quite easy and hustle free unlike UCE.
So here is my take after using RE bullets for all these years.
ADVANTAGES OF CI- Cheaper and easier for major works like Engine and gearbox maintenance due to its 3 parts design, Vibration free ride. More low end torque so less gear shifts are necessary. Neighbour kids will not t borrow your bike because they don’t know how to start and ride it. Can outlast couple of generations due to easiness in repairs and inter-changeability of parts. The legendary sweet thump (if that counts), Legendary world war Era design.
DISADVANTAGES OF CI- Requires frequent care even though the parts and labour is cheaper. Lack of immediate throttle response and performance like other sporty models. Amateurs can’t ride it ( For me it s a plus point anyway)
ADVANTAGES OF UCE- Requires less regular care, Good performance and economy. Easy to start and ride with self start, so less healthy people can use it.
DISADVANTAGES OF UCE- Very expensive for major repairs. High revving engine makes more vibration than CI models. Lack of torque accompanies with 5 speed gear is a real pain on roads in bad condition and roads with traffic, Engine design seems like a 200cc small one even though its 350cc. It is horrible to see lean under aged kids who rides UCE bullets over 100km/hour easily on highways. Its just another bike, completely lacks the real Bullet heritage. Not reliable at all comparing to Japanese machines.
In my opinion if RE wants to build reliable, economical easy to ride bikes with lesser pollution then make it reliable as a Honda or Yamaha or at least like a Bajaj. Now sadly the situation of Royal Enfield and UE Bullets are in the category of “NEITHER HERE NOR THERE”.
I am really happy with ur comment yes I agree ur point on ci engine even I to maintain 1988 ci model bike it is really good one as it has never stopped me anywhere but the newer model bullets are waste as their handle shakes a lot a 500 cc bullet is just dumb with no life in it . Hence even I to like the old one as I have rode my bike above 120 the bike fosent shake at all but the new one is just like a showpeice with no original bulley felt really happy that u to have maintained old city bullet model of 1988 …………
Yes your evaluation is correct,new RE maintenance is very expensive, and very important thing is that there are no good mechanics in all the service centers, they know only oil change, petrol theft, water servicing, just like in any 100 cc service point, remove original spares from new vehicles, there is no honestly in service, no knowledge of replacing the spare parts, this happens for any vehicles which has more demand than supply.
Hope with 500cc std uce the story is not the same and will last for generations like the old ones. I am going to take the delivery of one in next 1/2 days.
what is the advantage in std 500 ..pm help
advantage is clear. first of all increased power of 26bhp, self start and front disc brake which is very useful. Very importantly it is carbureted mechanism so trouble free as compared to EFIs like in classics. Also there is a rear seat grip placed in a stylish manner and a head light cap comes inbuilt. all in all it stands out among the RE range
i have old enfield one 350 and one 500cc. it is nice bike but fucking expensive to maintain. enfield costs same expense as my car does for a service, i am ok with car because it gets serviced 10k km but enfield need servicing every 3k kms #oops , so i ride my pulsar more now as wires dont break and break shoe dont need relacement every 15k kms , but every now and then riding old enfield is a pleasure . awesume experience.
still i resist the temptation and do all major touring on Pulsar. have ridden new bikes too, they felt like bigger bigger pulsar but new 500 is mind blowing, torque is awesume. still quallity on enfield ‘who no one want to talk about’ is SHIT. Enfield should have died in England itself.
I have a Classic 350 (Lagoon Blue) i am not satisfied with the vechile, it is not as i expected, the thump, nor the feel of Bullet, it feels as if i am riding some 150cc bike, Bullet is no more the same, as i used to see in my childhood days, it does seem as Na Ghar ka, Na Ghat ka.
Good to here that… appreciate your comment for Vintage Bullets. I am an proud owner of 1990 CI Standard bullet. I love to roll around on the beast. And I am pretty sure that the maintenance of old model is cost wise lesser but periodically needed. I am not fan of new Royal Enfield BIKES… but the 500cc has a good performance. I really want to see how different 2007 heavy crank model is as you say and give it a try. Thanks for the brief glance over a generations of bullet.
as some one said the new RE are nothing but 100cc bike getting labeled as RE , if someone really want to rush up and make quick moves opt for a splendor or similar vehicles, Bullet is for Royal riders.
Also i would like to discount the point that old bulls cease if run for more than 80 in long run i own a 83 bull and she works like charm at higher speeds( altough very less )
The riding comfort that one get on old CI cannot be compared with the new 350 cc bikes, i drove many a new one but could never get the comfort of the legendary one.
The world works on no pain and no gain principle , spend time on ur bull and see how good does it respond to you,
The new one are not completely maintenance free its just that it looks simple coz for every damn thing you give ur bike to the service centre unlike the old bull riders who try to fix many issue by themselves which helps in situations where you do not have a near by service centre.
No point in comparing both , its your choice and need which will tell you which one u need or you can afford
Rightly said… I own 1970 beauty drive every day approx 40 kms to office never had any trouble jus need to show love n care rest it’ll care…
I have a 1977 model bullet ,that is a amazing machine and very good performance
Should I buy a bullet of model 1986 is it a good choice?
old is gold bt the new roylendfild are very classic look
Extremely well written.
The people need to figure out if they need that 80s and 90s Bullet or they need a Bike from Royal Enfield. Riders who wander the brand, finally settle down with the AVL 500- as having an ‘problem free bike from RE’ is a myth.
An AVL engine can be opened up to tackle an issue in just one of its three main compartments, where as on an UCE, the entire engine needs to be dismounted and opened… so the casualness of opening engines should make you rethink what you are getting into.
Its not that you dont want the bike, but practical issues, jobs, finance, good neighbourhood mechanic, monthly fuel expenses often play havoc in the decision making.
Cheers, mates.
remember that the UCE engine does not require engine dismantle if taken care of through proper and timely and regular servicing and oil change. And remember by technitions who are qualified to work on UCE. plainly speaking it is a maintainance engine. no leaks no tappet setting no gears slipping better kpl to name a few plus points. remember i own two AVL bikes and a ci too. fifty years of royal enfield riding.
Which one is the best old model?
Can you please suggest me?
Hi Dev am from Punjab I have old bullet 350cc 1992 grate performing batre then New bullet So suggest u go with the Old model
Ryt
If you are not bothered about mileage, maintenance cost and you prefer riding comfort and if you like slow and steady riding, I strongly recommend that you buy a vintage model. Heavy crank models are far better than the new uce toys. The new model RE are not actual Royal enfield compared to the old machines. I have been using a 90 model heavy 14 crank model for the last 10 years. With my experience, 0 maintenance from the engine side, only some frequent tuning is required. no oil leakage and any major issues so far. I tried the new ‘uce toy’ and it was nothing compared with my own old bull. But in fact, getting such a problem free vintage model is a luck. Take a reliable RE mechanic with you before you buy a vintage model.
Request you to share me a good mechanic detais I stay at thane & have a 83 model
Go to kutub in deonar
Dear Vargis. I only now read this post as i Googled to be better prepared while selling my 2008 CI Electra.Excellent and to the point insights.. Sorry i didnt read this earlier and thank you for your educational nugget
Thanks dear ones for your valuable comparisons and expert suggestions, My very special thanks to Mr.Varghese for his unique, vast and expert practicable advice. I too was bit confused as to which one to choose, though I had been using 1986 model diesel bullet for some months till a year back.
I think both have they advantages & disadvantages..
The new bullets have better pickup, mileage & better break system..
But the comfort and feel you get riding an old model bullet is something different.
Though I love my old bullet, I would opt for a new bullet because finding a good mechanic & genuine spares is getting tougher day by day.
Old Bullet is the real bullet bcoz anyone not buy and ride old bullet.now a days people buying bullet like normal bike like splendor and riding it like a Pulsar.i have both bullets but on new bullet i can feel like a normal bike. SO i like OLD BULLET IS THE REAL ROYAL ENFIELD
U r correct
I’m going to buy a 2000 year old bullet machismo 350cc or old bullet 350cc 1999 year model
What you think which one is good or not ?
Plz reply me fast im wating for your valuable opinion plzz
buy new bull instead.. i have an electra 2003.. shez nice but new models are better in every aspect.
Pollution norms made uce not the company
Thank u buddy… Now I will buy new classic 350
I think thumping can be increased by changing the silencer … So no issue of thumping
I have experienced both bullets but I didn’t found much difference…. This is foolish to talk to buy older bullet…..
I’m very doubtful that your son will use your Classic RE when he grows 20. But my Bullet which is actually a bullet bike was made 20 years ago and I believe my son will ride it.
Anyone can ride left gear, that’s why RE sales gone up.
All of the new model bike owners cannot drive the old ones.
Old is Gold, is a suitable proverb particularly for Old Bullets.
( I done my project with Royal Enfield company and did customer surveys )
For any sake, mechanics had to support the New ones because of survival. Even I’ll do the same if I was in their position.
Anyone who rides a bike can ride old bullet as well. There will be a discomfort for the first two days(maximum). So, that is not a plus point.
I am using Old CI 1997 Bull having 14 kg crank(modified). The thumping is great,but my wallet is also getting its thump. There will always be one or the other issue with old engine.
Coming to the new BULL UCE. The thump is missing but when I rode my friend’s bull 350 UCE 2015 having 10.8 crank weight(approx) and short bottle silencer, its thump is also not so bad.
Note: Old bullet thump that you hear is because
1.Its an OLD engine(even a normal bike gets rough sound after 5-6 years) and no one heard its sound of the CI engine when its was new(Current generation)
2. Old Bull comes with a short bottle silencer.
whatever guys, new or old its ROYAL.
Who know what motorcycles come up after 15 years and what our children will like..Its completely their wish and our budget to provide them what motorcycle they like.Its good that you have done a survey in RE Factory(Company) and I would suggest …why didn’t you tell them to start the manufacturing of the same Old RE and start up a new production line for RE OLD Bullet (OLD IS GOLD).Please make a detail statistics and report it to the RE people…may be they will listen to you and start manufacturing old RE motorcycle so that all our generation will ride the OLD IS GOLD..
Die Hard Fan..
Cheers RE !!!
Arjun, Cheers! You have hit the bulls eye by making your statement. I completely agree with you. even I have taken lot of survey and once i booked for 350 and cancelled due to various reasons. but now the owner of UCE std 500 owner and I am proud to be one.
new or old the RE has its own credibility. both are good. Just need to ride and enjoy the comfort pride it offers,
Pride of Old Original Bullets is the make from true Royal Enfield Company. All the New Royal Enfield’s are the products under the ownership of Eicher Motors, who taken over the business from the parent company.
The acquired company has to increase the sales otherwise there is no point to acquisition of its new business entity. So they made all the major changes of shifting the right gears to the left side, selfish start, disc bakes and so on, there comes the increase in market share.
Old Bullets naturally creates its own thumping sound whereas in the New RE bikes it has to be created with altering silencers where the originality of the make from factory breaks up.
Everyone knows who ruled the roads with Bullets at least one decade ago. They are the big shots, landlords and etc. Whereas now all the mixed population starts to use modified RE bikes.
It should be remembered that any company wants only to make profit but not stick onto traditional style and originality, which is not necessary to them, particularly to those who acquired the business and who are not the original makers.
Old is real bullet
Old RE Vs. New RE…wow lots of fan for the Old RE.
Good I like it .. I don’t hate Old Bullets.. We are basically talking how the new is better. I too love Vintage Motorcycle like Norton Commando, BSA A65 Star, Vincent Black Shadow, Velocette Viper, Matchless Silver Hawk, Triumph Trident, Norton Manx and I would love to keep it as my collectables but are they really practical to use it .I guess the answer is NO.. Yes Old bullet has lived long and who knows the New RE will also live long. Any motorcycle can live long, as long as you maintain it and give it a timely service. AND LOVE YOUR MOTORCYCLE.
Guess Low Speed, Low RPM and the Thump of the OLD RE fascinates you, and I have no rights to comment on that. But for a better performing engine THE NEW RE is here. It’s more fun, less maintenance and high revving engine. Excuse me!!! it doesn’t give a 100 CC feel.
Cheers to RE !!!
Well said brother
Thanks… Only one you ..get the right point and original tips… You get….where is the captured the The main sound of Thumping …its solved is Change Silencer… That is right…..think…. Please suggest me which no silencer I am buying and get the doing sound …of thumping…. Please answer me
We have to bullets one is old model 1971 and another one is new 2014 model… 1971 bullet is my father’s and new one is myn…bt now my father is riding the new bullet only bz saying that new one is more powerful than old one and very good pickup he is using the old bullet above 38 year’s bt now he loves the new bullet standard 2014 model..in my opinion also new bullet is gud and smart…. All ppls are simply wasting to buy the old bullet that z really a foolishness..no maintains cost..good like up no electric completes and more powerful..and comper to Electra and classic tht crank wait of standard 350 is high bz std 350 dnt hav self…so we can ride the bullet with the same feel of old one with high power… So my opinion is new one is gud…bz I’m using both
New Royal Enfield (UCE) is a far better option.I had an CI engine RE but when I pushed it too hard I ceased my piston due to low oil supply..Vintage is good but why not opt for a power full RE.
I am owned and used 11 years 1974 model bullet,old model is better .New model is like a 200cc bike.
Ur correct
I too agree, with kallara.
see its basically an individuals choice, some people want the high of the old stuff and some ride for their daily routine.
its a personal choice, i had 76 model heavy crank and i think the old model is best, but again you need to have a very good hand on it, Your mechanic should be superb in this field and not make a fool out of you again and again. If every thing is good, then y not old stuff.
People usually get frustrated with mechanics as they just mint money and not care for dear ride..
I completely agree with the newer generations opting for new rides UCE models..
i own a 350 cc Standard 2009 last cast iron model…(I call it as last survivor) , Planning to go for a cast iron 500cc…
whatever it is just enjoy ur ride and have fun every second you are on your ride…
Cheers to all the new and old Bulleteers…
happy thumping…
Which year company started to produce AVL engine and which year they stopped production of CI. waiting for u rply.
You have owned only 2006 model electra royal enfield you should ride a old model i mean old in sense still 1979 until u ride old u will not know about it. i own a BULLET from 1996 still riding my beautiful beasts model 1960, 1956,1948 and iam still loking for 30s model. old is the best. we dont get bullet now its only royal enfield. bullet is not for ripping its for tripping.
But doesnt the 2004 model electra and the old ones have the same ci engine??? I think any model before 2006 gives the same exprnce as old ones from 1970 am i right??? My electra 2004 model gives great thumping…does older models have better thump??? Crankweights are same for both???
Well Said.. Old bullet is for tripping and not for ripping. Many idiots rip the bullet which is stupid.. by the way … my bullet from 1983 is getting ready…and awaiting for this which is actually the ROAD KING
When you see a long stretch of road in front of you and your OLD RE can only do 60km/hr then you will feel the pain..Ya ya dont rip only trip mann …when you see other less cc motorcycle overtaking you and you will be scared to even make a top speed of 80 to 90 in your OLD RE tats when you will feel whether you shud rip or trip. Enjoy the thump and a 60km/hr breeze on your face and reach your destination very very late…
Rippers jus rip with hell a lot of vibrations in it with a stupid plastic look without thump.
And dont forget, a karizma bike will blow u off within a fraction of second smiling at you but burning back in that seat.
And now uce toy users cld smile at Roaring Road Kings enjoying the vibrations in their body sitting in their short bullet like imitated machines. 🙂
Very well said.
The bullet became popular and majestic and Roaring Road king which threatens the other users is only with its Grand Iron look, Its seating height, its roaring thump and its sturdy made.
Not like a mouse like quick running.
Alexander the great using horse in the battle field finally died afraid of seeing elephants while trying to enter India.
And ofcoarse Elephant is majestier than horse.
Enfield got its Road King name which is earned and given by the old bulleteers.
Now you people (new uce toy users) are enjoying it.
old is best
I agreed that…bcz new version very less maintenance….and braking sys is good…cmpre old version (RE)..
Thanks for your valuable information.Based on your write up I would like to buy standard 350..
a very informative and good explanation , riding my electra 5s CI engine from past 9+ years with 80K and till date i never felt any loss in power on highway , its slower than UCE and 500 CC but stable and ride is smooth at 90 KMPH, by changing the stock silencer with GoldStart with glasswool the performance has improved and sound too and now i can cruise at 90+ without that nagging sound from the stock silencer.
if one takes good care the maintenance cost can be reduced for CI engines and that’s valid for any kind of bike.
Hi Nitin..I have recently bought 2007 model Electra 350…I am happy but the thump….can u please tell me where to buy the genuine gold star silencer…? Which one u prefer short bottle or gold star glass wool? And above all genuine..online…or in delhi ??
Thanks in advance
Yes you can’t compare old vs new because old bullet is real enfieald new is not bullet I can’t say it is a bullet because it is smilar a bike if you want high power you can buy sports bike we don’t want go above 100 kmph everyone knows old bullet using fornot going high speed I don’t care mileage or maitanance because we old bullet very different than other vehicles that is the difference. New bullet have only the name and body the bullet engine is normal bike now so many people are buying new because everyone can use new always old is old new bullet similar a other bikes old bullet is different than other vehicles that is old
Hi,
I know we cant stop being a bullet fan, and its quite obvious that the New RE evolved from the Old RE.
But The Brand Royal Enfield wanted to match its name with modern,upcoming motorcycles and changed the whole engine platform to UCE. Old bullet,s flaws were rectified to build the new UCE RE.Why would the company do that if there was no defects in the Old Bullet, the company should have continued making the Old Model Bullets, isn’t it?
Riding an old bullet at 80km/hr for a long stretch will cease your piston, but for a new bullet its a cake walk.
Its a fast moving world and we have faster and powerful motorcycle coming up, why opt for a low performing motorbike.
RE New (uce) is a better RE with respect to the OLD bullet.
Yes Old bullet is a good motorcycle when compared to Rajdoot,Yezdi and Jawa who failed to compete with the old bullet.
We all love Motorcycles specially RE.
Cheers!!!
Well said brother….;)
Thank you Bro..
Who told old will cease?
Did YOU used it for years?
May be to those who doesn’t maintain might get ceased.
I bet you your new bullet will not withstand for years but while already old original bullets are doing and will still showcase their quality after the death of New REs.
Old RE Vs. New RE…wow lots of fan for the Old RE.
Good I like it .. I don’t hate Old Bullets.. We are basically talking how the new is better. I too love Vintage Motorcycle like Norton Commando, BSA A65 Star, Vincent Black Shadow, Velocette Viper, Matchless Silver Hawk, Triumph Trident, Norton Manx and I would love to keep it as my collectables but are they really practical to use it .I guess the answer is NO.. Yes Old bullet has lived long and who knows the New RE will also live long. Any motorcycle can live long, as long as you maintain it and give it a timely service. AND LOVE YOUR MOTORCYCLE.
Guess Low Speed, Low RPM and the Thump of the OLD RE fascinates you, and I have no rights to comment on that. But for a better performing engine THE NEW RE is here. It’s more fun, less maintenance and high revving engine. Excuse me!!! it doesn’t give a 100 CC feel.
Cheers to RE !!!
Mine is 1970 make 46 years old still runs widout any trouble i doubt new uce toys can last for 20 years…i don’t understand ppl talk about engine cease.. All i would say only bafoons will have trouble with old beasts who do not know how to use it.
If you have not heard about the infamous engine seize, you must either have kept in a garage for the 40 odd years or would have tailed TVS 50s. Your bike will run without trouble provided u change the 3 dozen parts frequently. You speak as though u are only those elite few who know to maintain a bull. I had two bulls too….two decades ago, a 1977 model and a 1983 model. The thump and feel of the old bulls was certainly better than the C350 my son has, but i would prefer the C350 for reliability. Would certainly trade in the thump for reliability.
New is same 100 cc bike
Ride to feel ..Seriously…. something is really wrong with the company that they claim to say that New RE is 350 CC..Anyway I have KTM 390 but I Still LOVE RE …and especially NEW RE BULLET…
Sir,
I own Electra 2013. It really works well but im disturbed with its tic tic sound in engine. Pls suggest me to come out of this disturbance pls…..
Waiting for reply….
Hi vargis im preet nd i owned a re 350 standard 2006 model but now i wanna to sell it nd want to own a new classic 350 plz tell me can i sell the old one nd buy the new
Hi V.K. sir ,, I am Ravi from punjab , in my state people are very crazy about old and opposite side gear bullets , and they are costing about Rs.150000 on 2009 model standerd bullets , If your company will launch opposite side gear bullet it is very benefitial for us ,,,,, plz answere me in reply plz sir
Hello Sir …
I bought Thunderbird 350 … My question is how can i improve the performance(Power) of my bike ?
Could you suggest me the right exhaust ? I am thinking to buy Red Rooster exhaust and BMC SRF filter ?
Hi vargis
I have bullet 350 uce , whenever I want to accelerate the bike over 40kmph crank makes so much noise and its been only 2 month I have purchased bike and 3500km driven.
Can you please help me out that what would be expected issue.
Regards,
Tarun
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Dear khan,
Which is the best bullet classic or thunderbird? Do these new bullets produce vibrations ?
I would prefer bullet 5s model over UCE fitted model. The main drawback of UCE engine is vibration, it creates so , much vibration.
Dear,
Vargis khan
Which bike is best for me as i have budget between 1 to 2 lakhs…..
Neer.
Sir plzz tel me is it ok to buye a royal enfield electra of 2007 and which engien is there in same
Hi Vargis,
I’m confused between Electra and Classic 350. Can you help ? I drove Classic and found it comfortable but when I took a back seat to understand the comfort it wasn’t that great. Suspension of rear seat is too bad for me. So now thinking to settle down with Electra. As I believe its a single long seat like old bullet will give more comfort. But I didn’t like the tyre size of Electra and finishing (like classic has black mudguards,big tyre). I’m super confused between style and comfort. Please advise. Thinking to book Electra, is it a good decision?
Thanks
Very useful info. Thank you very much. I ride a classic 350 2011 model. I have done 34000 kms. The bike loosing its acceleration and it doesn’t cross 80 in 4th gear. It just splutters and slows down a minute after I put first gear. I showed it to the so called best mechanics (Nandan and Mehboob) in Bangalore but they clean to corborater and give it back. It’s fine for a day or for 20-30 km ride. Need help.
show it in batryanpura, he is a good a mechanic , try there once
Dear Vargis,
Request you to throw some light on the question i have. i own a 2004 AVL engine Thunderbird. i recently spent a bomb to replace almost the entire body. i have the old chassis, engine and tank rest all is replaced.
however the question i have is about the silencer (Exhaust) that i have put. its a gold star wild boar with glass wool from Aashu engineering Pune. i want to know if that is okay for the engine and does it impact the performance. the firing is too loud with the exhaust and whilst riding when the accelerator is released (not accelerating) the exhaust still makes thud thud firing sound something like backfiring. what exactly is that and how do i get it corrected.
Thanks in anticipation
Which one to choose for if the durability is the only concern. If I go for older bullets they are so expensive and very old thus hard to have faith. And as they are older I am concerned with breakdowns in longer rides. I would not take it beyond 80 to 100. How durable are the UCE engines. Please notify me.
Also tell me how to buy a second hand bullet for lower price in Chennai.
V.K sir ….m a student n m going to buy a R.E for ma dad ….. The problem is to make choice btwn Bullet350 n classic350 … Which gives better ridding experience,mileage,maintenance, long life n plzzz gives us maintenance tips …..
N thanks for your this post n blog.n anything which u done for R E lovers 🙂
Nice comparison!
Although I came across to your article and I must say “Really great and deep information about RE”
I am planning to buy second hand RE electra but I’m getting offers from 2009 and 2010 models more. Both have their opinions about its Engine changed and other things.
Can you please suggest me which model is best to buy for long-term. In every cases like Engine stability, Engine sound, mileage, etc.
make it simple … buy new
Correct
I am being offered a 1976 fully restored bullet for 160000. Is this a wise buy and would I get spares to maintain the bike for another 15 – 20 years.
Also my concern is the safety – as I do not have a covered parking. Is there any in breakable lock system available for such older models
My current option is the 76 thumper or a 2015 bullet – please advise
Regards
Vivek
Unless your intention is to own a “vintage” motorcycle, I would not advice to buy a 1975 model for such a high price. Go for a newer model, it would serve you well as a regular commute. With a motorcycle that old daily in use, you would just end up being a grease monkey yourself.
Vargis sir I want to buy a 95-2000 model std bullet…pls give me sms information which most importantly check on the older bullet when plan to buy…and plz advice repairing cost…etc…it will be a good decision or not to buy old one..??
Renjith..
Renjith, Best thing to do would be to take the motorcycle to a trusted mechanic and get it checked thoroughly before buying. Have you owned an Enfield before? If not, then you will not be able to tell if something feels wrong with the bike so the best thing to do would be to take it to a mechanic. A few things that you can check on your own would be,
1. Any unusual cluttering sounds
2. Ride it and see if the gear is a little tight or difficult to change.
3. Review the chain set. Look at the back sprocket. If the teeth show worn out, then you would have to change it as soon as you buy it. A new chain set would cost close to Rs. 1200.
4. Check if the engine is pinging or backfiring or if there is a lot of smoke coming out of the silencer.
5. Check for any oil leaks. It there is any, you would find it spread all over the engine.
6. Check and make sure that the front suspension seals arent broken. If they are, you would find oil leaking out of front suspension.
7. Check and make sure the seats arent damaged / cut or worn out, something that you may have to change.
8. Check if ties are too worn out. If yes, you would have to change and it would cost you about Rs. 2500 – Rs. 3000 to change both.
These are some checks that you can do, for rest take it to a trusted mechanic as you will not be able to tell the difference that a mechanic can.
Repairing cost necessarily depends on what parts you would have to change after you buy it. Whether to buy a new or old one depends on what your preference is. Just read through the above article and decide on what exactly you need from your Enfield.
Dear Vargis Khan
i bought a new standard 350 and in order to get the thump sound i would like to change the silencer. Is changing the silencer harmful for new bullets. can you suggest me the best silencer, i heard about wild boar and Red Rooster Performance and also some silencers like indore and punjab. which one is the best.? i am confused.
Sanoof
Sanoof, Best would be Goldstar but before you change, make sure that your motorcycle is either at least a year old or have done 2000 kms minimum.
Sir,
Currently I have Unicorn,Pulsar 220 but I would love to go for a Bullet as it is my dream . Though I have been acquainted with multiple facilities on the new bikes but little bit in doubt to purchase a Old model or new one ? If new one which model I should prefer . From this articles & several answers I am little bit confusion to go for which model . Also guide me whether Tubeless Tyre can be fit in Bullet ? Kindly help and guide .
Subhrabasu,
All the new models are pretty much the same in terms of engine and performance, change is only in the looks so you can buy either depending on which one you like.
And yes, Tubeless tires can be fitted in if you are ready to pay over 5k to get the standard rims replaced with Alloys.
I have a Bullet 350 STD 2015 model. I would like to ride and keep this bullet for atleast 25 years. Is that possible with UCE. My average speed is 70 to 80 KMPH. What are the things I should consider to keep it for atleast 25 years.
What new thinks added to standard bullet 2015 as compare to 2014
Hi,
I have already booked for electra 350 silver but still confused between new and old version of R.E so please help to choose appropriate variant which engine is better for performance and stability.
If you have already booked it then do not think too much about it … Electra 350 is a fine motorcycle, just get it serviced after every 2000 kms or alternate months, whichever comes first, and it will serve you well.
Looking forward to your reply
Kumar, If you are talking about vibration in the motorcycle, then it is a normal thing for REs. As the time passes, it will stop bothering you and you will get habitual to it. The entire motorcycle shakes or vibrates with every thump of the engine and honestly, this happens to be one of the thing that people like about it. If you are talking about something feeling wrong with the suspensions, then it is possible that the motorcycle you drove for test ride had something wrong with the suspensions because Suspension of REs are more than sufficient.
Thanks for the reply. Is change of silencer against the law now a days ? Somebody shared with me.
If changed after one year or 2000kms any problem with the warranty?
No for both your questions
Hi Vargis Khan,
Your detailed write up on the bullet machine was very very useful. Thanks a lot. Great research. I had a lot of doubt – old or new ones; which one is better. I have booked standard 350 and quite happy on my selection after reading your article. Reason – I do not have time to maintain a machine so regularly being in a field work. As of now I am using a pulsar 150 and have rode almost 1 lakh kms. It will be my first experience with a bullet
Now, I have one major doubt. I test drove bullet standard 350 & 500. Experienced severe body shake( from waist to chest level) while riding on bumpy or metal roads. This is not there with pulsar. I am little concerned about this. Is the shock ups of the bullet are not efficient enough. Whether it will make a tired feeling after riding such roads? I intend to use mainly in town and pocket roads which usually be like that. Please put some light on this issue.
Regards,
Kumar
Calicut
Hello Kumar,
First of all, Congratulations on your new Motorcycle. You have chose a great machine which is not going to disappoint you if you maintain and respect it.
About the shake, Shock ups of the bullet are more than sufficient. I would suggest taking it to the showroom once again and get the suspensions checked.
Vargis
First I appreciate for such an article. My Dad owned a 1975 model RE in Tamilnadu and I was using it for more than 10 years. Later I shifted to Bangalore for job and we sold it. In Bangalore I used 1964 model RE for 3 years. Now for 15 years I am away from RE. But I keep riding some of the new ones which my friends own. But I do not get the real feel of my old ones.
Now again I want to own one. Though of buying 2005-2008 model, rework and alter. But I have no time to spend going back and forth to the workshop. Then decided to buying a new one. Need your view on whether to buy Standard 350 or Classic 350? I am totally confused. I am fine to live without disk and self start, but I need the same feel that I get riding my old bikes. Any suggestion from you will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
~Giri
Giri, Both these motorcycles are same in terms of engine and performance. I would say go for Standard 350 if you want to get that old age look.
Hi vergis khan ,
I owned a electra 2014, I changed its front mudguard with help of changing front forks with that of claasic model but i noticed few things first when i keep stand my bike on main stand its ground clearence has became lesser for tyres that means classic,s forks are longer
Second when i ride my bike i feel some hardness or a kind of jamm in front forks i shown my electra to workshop mechanic told me it is due to new shock up as time passes they become softer what is your opinion
Hi Raghvendra,
I have my new Electra bought 2 days ago and I want to do similar changes the front mudguard and front forks. can you please tell me how much its cost to you? Is it ok now?
Hi,
I just want to know which variant will be better daily commute and suitable for small family for local rides/ and also for occasional long rides electra 350, std 350 or classic 350.
hello Mr. Varghis Khan,
The article was very helpful about the description on old n new engines. I new the kind of maintenance required for old bullets but never knew the reasons for such high maintenance. Thanks for all the info.
As now I am about to fulfill my dream of buying one, I was in big dilemma in choosing between 500 classic (new efi engine) n 350 classic.
my doubts are; 1. how reliable is the new efi engine as I heard ppl face problems in getting it fixed. Or else in worst conditions they have to buy a new unit for 13k.
2. If its not that reliable, can we get a carbeurattor engine or get it replaced instead of efi in showroom?
3. if 500 efi is not advisable, n not even able to replaced by normal carb; then how about bullet 500 …
4. I am planning to buy enfield keeping in mind about longer duration of use, frequent road trips n few trips around himachal. so which is more suited to the requirement ?? 500 classic or 350 classic?? Apart from the trips, I go to office in busy traffic conditions.
I will eagerly waiting for your reply.
Sir Vargis
Your article was very informative to all bullet lovers in the country. It cleared all the doubts of the old and the new bikes. You must be a mechanical engineer to give everything in details.
Thanks Richard. And no, I am no engineer, motorcycles are just a hobby.
Hii Vargis,
You had provided a really great deal of info about the machine..
But I was feeling little contradictory in some issues but its my personal opinion.
What i feel is Bullet is made to ride at speed of 50-65 KMPH and enjoy the Thump it produces which no other motocycle can (at this price in INDIAN market) so what i want to say is tha its not the bike to go beyond 90 or 100 KMPH.
i do have a Bullet of 1975 make. and agree what you said that beyond 60’s its go rough. BUt, i would love to enjoy the vibration, thump and sound which my love produces.
on comparision the new bullet segments of 350cc are not that heavy as compared to the old ones and even the engine sounds like a refined engine and that old touch is missing.
Correct me if I’m wrong I’ll be waiting for your reply.
Regards
Aditya Sharma
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+9197041209733
Hi Aditya,
I agree with you. You will not at all be comfortable on the older Bullets at over 60 kmph.
sir
i am planing to buy new bullet between standard 350 and classic 350uce but i am confused that which bullet have more thumpi g?
Hello Inderjeet,
Both motorcycles are practically the same in terms of performance and engine, standard 350 however does have a bigger crank. The difference in both motorcycles is of looks, self start, disc brakes and price. Standard does not have a disc, but has better seats. Also, the heavier crank means it’s pickup will be a bit sluggish, but lesser vibes during a cruise. And, there is no fuel gauge on Classic, Standard and Electra. You can go for either of the two but if you asked me, I would suggest Standard 350, as Classic 350 has been reported to have several issues off-late. If speed, style and better performance is your preference go for classic . Classic can get you more than 140kph Tops where standard will go bad after 110kph . classic will get you to 0-60 kph in 3.2 seconds , and standard will take 3.6 seconds , classic is heavy 187kg . standard is 180kg . The headlight is much brighter in classic with high power and rear suspension is much better as well. In case of mileage classic min-mileage is 30kph and for standard it is 50kph. Standard has been reported to be better in terms of maintenance as Classic still continues to have a few issues.
Dear.vargis sir i had the same doubt regarding buying a classic 350 and.std 350,.,but now i hav my doubts cleared.except the milege i heard from many mechanics that std has. Milege lesser than classic
…is that true
That’s a good article indeed. At the surface level, yes, the UCEs are better if you dont want to fiddle around with your machine. However, if you’re someone that knows your engine well, I’d say CIs are way better than UCEs. IMHO, UCEs have some simple problems from CIs solved with really costly solutions (like hydraulic tappets and CV carbs). I recently got my electra 2005 retrofitted with a heavy crank. Even before this mod, I’ve ridden my bull hard. I dont think it’s fair to overlook what top-end a CI can do. While it’s UCE counterpart is definitely a little better here, the CI can do about 80-100K quite comfortably (while really short bursts of 120+ are okay too, any more than 10-20ish minutes of 120+ speeds is enough to pit your valves). CIs definitely take some dedication to keep them in tip-top shape and I dont mean taking it to the service center. Know your bull thoroughly, service it yourself regularly and your CI will leave you wanting for nothing more. One way of testing this is asking a UCE 350/500 owner what their next bike is and doing the same with the owner of a well maintained CI. The former may come up with a quick answer (Triumph/HDs/blahblahs) while the latter wont have a definite answer. Personally, with more power and mileage and better top-end, the UCEs still dont have the quintessence that my CI bull’s got. With the heavier crank it’s only got better. Happy thumping brothers!
Very well said Shorty. Couldnt agree more … Thank you for commenting.
I m looking to buy royal Enfield standard 350 its my dream but some people are spreading rumors that new 2015 model of standard is not good…the engine is not good…i m confused please help me….
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+91 955 857 1619. Its my whatsapp number
Please help i will be waiting for your reply
After all these arguments recently i had heard something that the new engine is not durable as the old one. Is it true????
It all depends on your preference brother. The fact however cannot be denied that the older versions were built to last and the newer ones are built to perform. I doubt that any of the new models will continue to last 20-25 years like the old ones did.
Hi,
Prior to 1997 I was using Hero Honda and was getting back pain. On friends suggestion switched to Standard bullet 350 & used till 2003 and was very happy with it.
After a gap of 10 years, I bought Vespa scooter. Riding comfort is not good. Hence I want to buy a 350 cc. Suggest which model should I go for, Electra or Classic. I want to use for city commuting & occasionally long drive also.
Respond at the earliest.
Awaiting for your suggestion & advise
I would suggest Electra
Thank you
You are welcome … Sorry for late response
I have finally booked Electra today. Your write up helped me to freeze my option & look forward for more information on Bullets
Glad to hear that brother. I am sure you will not be disappointed with your new stallion. Few things I would like to add,
1. Do not take your Enfield beyond 60 unless you are in dire need. Maintain 60 and it will stay with you for a longer duration.
2. Get your bike serviced after every 2000 kms.
3. Do not try to abuse it by riding hard or rash. Respect your Enfield and it will respect you back by proving a long time trustworthy companion.
Vargis Khan—i am using old bullets from last 15 years first one is 1968 model and now 2006 model these are so much better than the new one because old bullets dont have any vibration good for long ride. but the uce engine have high vibration. i used my old bullet 9 years with out any engine problem and getting 35-38 kmpl.some one offer me good price for it ie more than (**X 10) so i sold it and bought a new one.in 1999 i bought it only rs.9500. i never went show room service in between these 15 years .no regular care is needed for the old bullets. ya it make some troubles in monsoon season but it is not a big problem.and about the tapet sound uce bullet have tapet sound in its whole life– from the showroom to the end after .10 years .. …………your article is only an advertisement for the new uce
Anoop – I am not advertising anything, merely stating the facts. Like you, I also own 2 older Royal Enfields, a 2008 model and a 1972 model and I must say that I am pretty happy with both. The technical aspects however cannot be overlooked which I mentioned above
I am confused about the performance of old & new bullet…cause I owned new bullet standard 350 UCE of 2015…& also I had same comments as you said about older bullet from local mechanics…that there is much difference between two machines…old one was better & all….I want to know you opinion about my bike in the aspects of power, speed, comfort & performance…& I didn’t get you by thump & sound….is there difference between thump & sound??
Vinayak Anant Mhatre
July 12, 2015 at 6:37 pm
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Hi V.K. sir,
This is Vinayak. ..I owned new standard 350 2015 bullet…I searched this blog to get known that whether I chose right machine or not because of confusion between performances of old & new bullet…I want to know your opinion about my bullet in the aspects of power, performance & comfort…one more thing…what is this thump exactly…I didn’t get plz explain….thanks
Good article
Thank you Vinayak
Vinayak Anant Mhatre
July 12, 2015 at 6:37 pm
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Hi V.K. sir,
This is Vinayak. ..I owned new standard 350 2015 model bullet…I searched this blog to get known that whether I chose right machine or not because of confusion between performances of old & new bullet…I want to know your opinion about my bike in the aspects of power, performance & comfort…one more thing…what is this thump exactly…I didn’t get plz explain….thanks
Hello Mr. Mhatre,
As you could probably guess from this article, the new Enfield is superior to the previous one in terms of performance. One thing that I must add however is that the previous models were heavy and were built to last however the newer models are built to perform and suit your needs better in today’s world.
By thump, I meant the classic sound the older bullets used to make with a slight shiver like movement in the entire motorcycle.
Thanks,
Vargis
Hi Vargis,
I am having RE 1999 350cc Machismo with CI engine. i am not able to go for a long rides with a speed of 100km.
can you please suggest me is adding an extra Oil Coolant useful to increase the Performance of the Bike, or please suggest me how can i improve the performance of my RE.
Hi Suresh,
Please understand that a 1999 Machismo is not built for riding at 100+ km / hour for long. For this, you will need a buy a newer version.
🙂 thanks Vargis after going through above details i understood the same. Still i thought with some modification if any thing can be done to improve the performance of my bike.
my bad got your point for performance i need to buy a new bike.
No worries brother ….
Hi V.K. sir,
This is Vinayak. ..I owned new standard 350 2015 model bullet…I searched this blog to get known that whether I chose right machine or not because of confusion between performances of old & new bullet…I want to know your opinion about my bike in the aspects of power, performance & comfort…one more thing…what is this thump exactly…I didn’t get plz explain….thanks
Clean Writing, Definitely an eradication of an constant dilemma, Appreciate the way its written and i am sure it might have cleared the way for all the apprehensive people out there, so get going with one of these. Appreciate your research on it…Devour these machines..they are just meant to ride long distances..so go places.
Thank you Karunakar.
Very nicely written article, sir. I am planning to book a new R E Classic 350, When asked about the traditional thump, the dealer suggested me to replace the original silencer with the upswept silencer(which is supposedly angular). Should I straight away opt for it or rather wait until I ride it for about 3000 km? As I don’t know much about RE engine, I’m a bit apprehensive of the fact that replacing the factory built silencer might hamper the engine performance. Please advise me.
Thank you Gaurav. First of all, the silencer would change the sound but not the actual thump. Secondly, it doesn’t matter when you change the silencer. I changed mine days after I bought my RE and have been riding it for last 7 years without any problem at all.
Thanks for the response!
You are welcome bro ….
I m a thump lover so considerably I would love to have an old before-2009 bullet. But is there any way of creating the thump in new uce engines. Of course I have ride the both but I wish I could get the ride of old in newly born bullets.
You can get a similar sound by changing the silencer but not the thump ….
So would you like to advice me about which bullet to go for?
Well it actually depends on what your preference is. If Thump is what you are specifically looking for then older one is the best. If performance is what you need then the newer one. My suggestion is look for a 2005 – 2008 model if you need Thump along with performance. Anything prior to 2005, you will need to spend on maintenance and would have to get your own hands dirty every once in a while. Anything after 2009, you will have to compensate on Thump.
I have Electra 2010 Model… Which model is it… On the engine it’s written twinspark
It is UCE
Boss today only i bought 2009 april electra… first of all i dont knw y 2009 model is costier than 2012 … i bought it for 80000? And secondly is it a Avl or uce???? Plzz plz reply
Does it have a switch to decompress before you kick?
I own Bullet with CI engine, 2008, and was thinking of selling it to buy a newer version. As you said CI`s require lot of mainteinance and constant care.
You have cleared my all doubts.
Thx
Avadhoot Prabhu
Goa
Hello Avadhoot,
I am glad that the article was helpful. Thank you for taking the time to drop a note.
Thanks,
Vargis
hello sir it was really great information that u have provided me but i want some suggestion from you i am planning to buy a new bullet i have two choices (1) New standard 350 UCE (2) machismo 500 AVL 2008 model
well i do not worry about thumping and other things only i want is to ride a heavy and macho bike.
your suggestions will be beneficial for me.
Hello Vikram,
My suggestion is that you buy the new standard 350 UCE. Machismo 2008 would be nothing but trouble to you. If you want to buy an older bike, look for an Electra instead.
Thanks,
Vargis
You are welcome brother
Hello sir nice to see your knowledge about royal Enfield motorcycles I have a question
I have machismo 350 2005make
Now I have given it for engine repair work crank noise the mechanic said bush and some other part has to be changed and my piston he will put UCE one now I am confused about what exactly he was referring to when he Said bush as you mentioned AVL it is something else so please guide me every stuff I want to travel long from Nepal to Bhutan so I want everything best I don’t know much about bullet parts only the most common one and please suggest me any alteration of sprockets as I have seen in many blogs they change sprockets for increased torque
So please guide me I love and I am proud to drive my machismo
Hi I read your blog in 2016 and decided to purchase UCE instead of CI .Till now i am happy with my 2016 standard 350(clocked 40k).Thank you
Very informative. ThanQ